There’s one phrase that may get any American fuming, no matter their political inclination: infrastructure. Pothole-pocked roads, creaky bridges, and half-baked public transportation bind us nationally like little else can. And that was earlier than local weather change’s coastal flooding, extreme heat, and supercharged wildfires got here round to make issues even worse.

US infrastructure was designed for the local weather we loved 50, 75, even 100 years in the past. Much of it merely isn’t holding up, endangering lives and snapping supply chains. To carry all these roads, railways, bridges, and entire cities into the trendy period, the Biden-Harris administration final week announced virtually $830 million in grants by way of 2021’s Bipartisan Infrastructure Law. The long list of tasks contains improved evacuation routes in Alaska, a brand new bridge in Montana, restored wetlands in Pennsylvania, and an entire bunch of retrofits in between.

“We know that if we want to build infrastructure that lasts for the next 50 or 100 years, it’s got to look different than the last 50 or 100 years,” says US transportation secretary Pete Buttigieg.

WIRED sat down with Buttigieg to speak concerning the bipartisan enchantment of infrastructure, using nature as an alternative of preventing it, and the irresistible triple payoff of getting individuals out of automobiles and into buses and trains. The dialog has been edited and condensed for readability.

Matt Simon: The United States is a really various place, climate-wise. We’ve received all these deserts and excessive warmth, coastlines and sea stage rise, and more and more excessive rainfall. How does this new funding go towards managing all that?

Secretary Buttigieg: While each a part of the nation is completely different, each a part of the nation sees transportation methods impacted by the local weather and different threats. It may be wildfires, it may be floods, sea stage rise, mudslides, droughts, and even earthquakes. All of these items can influence the sturdiness of our transportation methods. And a lot of these items are getting extra excessive.

One of the extra counterintuitive penalties of local weather change is heavier rainfall. Lots of this funding goes towards retrofitting infrastructure to adapt to these kinds of deluges. What are the choices?

In Cincinnati, for instance, we’re shoring up retaining partitions and really putting in sensors in hills to get forward of a problem the place a hillslide, brought on by intense rainfall, would influence a highway. In West Memphis, we’re investing in pure infrastructure. What’s attention-grabbing about that case is it isn’t really the highway itself—we’re investing within the wetlands across the highway to make flooding much less seemingly. That’s a part of how we defend provide chains that run alongside I-55 and I-40.

And then generally you are dealing with a one-two punch. In Colorado, for instance, I-70 was impacted by a mix of fires and floods. A wildfire will come by way of, it’s going to undermine the bushes and root buildings that maintain soil collectively, it’s going to be adopted by a flood. And you then’ll be extra more likely to have a mudslide, which took out I-70 for an prolonged period of time a number of years in the past. So we’re seeing that quite a lot of occasions—one thing that as a former mayor I take into consideration rather a lot—which is simply the wrestle towards water within the unsuitable locations. It’s definitely an enormous a part of what we have now to cope with in our transportation methods.