Max Levchin isn’t anti-credit, he actually needs you to know. He’s anti-credit card. There’s a giant distinction.

He will discuss bank cards endlessly, and he’ll skillfully deliver all of it again, each time, to his firm Affirm. Its AI-informed loans, he’ll preach, are significantly better than bank cards. It’s maybe unsurprising that Levchin would consider in some type of tech to be the answer. He is part of Silicon Valley lore, a technologist whose profession began within the frothy period of overflowing techno-optimism and rocketed alongside, touchdown squarely on this new period—the place the longer term feels just a little extra, you recognize, inauspicious. 

On one finish of his story: an immigrant from Soviet Ukraine whose household got here to the US in 1991 with little greater than $600. On the opposite finish: a 2021 Forbes billionaire. A pivotal second in his profession befell in Levchin’s early 20s, when he satisfied investor Peter Thiel to fund his then barely-a-company. It turned PayPal. (Yep, Elon was there, too.) After eBay snapped up the funds firm, Levchin constructed a cluster of photo-sharing widgets called Slide. Google purchased it. Next got here the ovulation-tracking app and fertility companies firm Glow, which, Levchin is keen on mentioning, has helped {couples} conceive practically 2 million infants, as if the app itself spawned them.

But even whereas launching Glow, Levchin saved one foot firmly in fintech. In 2012 he based Affirm, which ushered in a brand new sort of shopper lending. Sure, PayPal led the cost in convincing the plenty to purchase stuff on-line, however so many individuals nonetheless pay for on-line purchases with a pre-internet product—old school bank cards. There are 191 million Americans with bank card accounts. Today, these folks collectively owe $925 billion, a determine that took its largest leap in 20 years within the third quarter of this 12 months. Affirm presents a unique mannequin: An on-line shopper is obtainable a zero-percent, short-term installment plan or mortgage for his or her buy proper on the digital checkout.

Buy now, pay later (BNPL), as that mannequin is known as, is having a second. People are being bombarded with choices to finance on-line purchases by Affirm and rivals corresponding to Klarna, AfterPay, and PayPal, which launched its personal BNPL product in 2020. The means these newish financing firms generate profits: They receives a commission a processing price by retailers, who companion with the lenders to encourage gross sales. They additionally acquire curiosity or late charges from clients who miss funds, or curiosity on longer-term loans.

Most of us must borrow in some unspecified time in the future in our lives, and in Levchin’s thoughts, a society constructed on BNPL—even when used to finance staples corresponding to meals and gas—is healthier than one stacked on bank cards. And BNPL companies have been constructed to be interesting and simple to make use of, a lot in order that the US Consumer Financial Protection Bureau is studying the potential for consumers to get in too deep. Unsurprisingly, Levchin believes tech can save the day, saying Affirm’s machine studying algorithms will forestall overly dangerous loans.

While some billionaires are keen to place the world to rights, or launch us into new worlds, Levchin, 47, is the sort of serial entrepreneur who will get obsessive concerning the factor he’s constructing proper now. Last month he met me at Affirm’s downtown San Francisco workplace sporting his typical rimless glasses and a short-sleeved Affirm polo shirt. He usually steered the dialog to the drawbacks of his sworn enemy (bank cards), but additionally talked concerning the ebbs and flows of the broader financial system, and the way they’re more and more intertwined with the applied sciences and ideologies of Silicon Valley. The techlash, Levchin reckons, sprang from tech enriching techies however probably not making life higher for everybody else. Oh, and he ultimately shared some ideas on Elon Musk’s Twitter. The dialog has been edited for readability and size.

Lauren Goode: The final time that we chatted on the report, Max, was if you launched Glow. 

Max Levchin: I keep in mind it was proper earlier than we launched Affirm.